That really has nothing to do with the 'religion' aspect of the church, it's just the cuntbags that are currently in 'power'. That's the biggest problem I have about church bashers (I will just start to vaguely use you as an example here, sorry) yes there are creepy boy touching rapists that pose as priests to get some and escape persecution because the church is about redemption and forgiveness... I think. It is hard to tell what it stands for anymore, but it sure as fuck isn't for the rape of small boys.
They have repeatedly fucked themselves over, but I still stand by the church and have faith that they are trying to keep these rapists out, that they are trying to fix these things. But sweeping little boy fuckings under the rug is most definitely the wrong way to go. Hell I would consider it criminal. Why they escape justice is beyond me.

Eh, you have your opinions I have mine.

Edit: Damn I sound like a douche with that. ^

No offense, but that's a cop out. You're basically saying 'My religion is right, your religion is wrong', which is abject bullshit. Then you're going to ignore any rebuttal? Tough, I'll type it anyways.

Your religion may be right FOR YOU. Another religion may be right FOR SOMEONE ELSE.

This shows a complete lack of respect for other belief systems and religion, and is downright offensive to me. This is why humans have been killing each other for thousands of years. We can't get past this urge to impose our beliefs on everyone else.

If you want to be a Catholic, cool. (Although the pedophilia thing should logically be a turnoff.)
If you want to be Baptist, cool.
If you want to be Lutheran, cool.
If you want to be Buddhist, cool.
If you want to be Muslim, cool.
If you want to believe that there might be a higher power out there, but none of our established religions have it right, then cool.

The Catholic church is one religion. Nothing more, nothing less.

the Church is, and always will be perfect in teaching faith and morals. People within the Church may be in error, and the child abuse scandal has shown people have acted wrongly.

The men within the Church acted with the advice of psychologists of the time, which gave bad advice.

What i wrote i fully believe in

If the Catholic Church is not the one true church, then I myself would not be catholic

that being said, I wrote in error

My intent on not commenting to rebuttals was because that was not the intent of my post.
I made a mistake on how I said it though. I am perfectly happy on responding to rebuttals over PM, or made in a different thread, out of respect for DF. I am aware that I did not say this originally, and i am sorry for the confusion


my one comment

the Church is, and always will be perfect in teaching faith and morals. People within the Church may be in error, and the child abuse scandal has shown people have acted wrongly.
The men within the Church acted with the advice of psychologists of the time, which gave bad advice.

The guy who runs the show covered this up and is still doing so. He IS the Church by their definition. The voice of GOD on earth. That goes above a few bad apples. Also "perfect" is more than a stretch. I won't go into it because I don't want to bash your beliefs but....perfect?



I don't want to but I have to ask. How does covering up rape, moving rapists to other churches to protect them, making the victims publicly apologize to their congregations, and so forth have anything to do with expert psychological advice?

the Church is, and always will be perfect in teaching faith and morals. People within the Church may be in error, and the child abuse scandal has shown people have acted wrongly.
The men within the Church acted with the advice of psychologists of the time, which gave bad advice.

So, if you take this position, how to you reconcile the fact that other religions have beliefs that do not mesh with the Catholic Church's version?

(I don't want to nitpick the 'perfect' point, but I have to a little bit. How can a church, who has rules made by man, who is imperfect, possibly be perfect in any way?)

Relatively certain the response is going to be the church is perfect because god is infallible which doesn't quite make any sense.

I'm catholic. I go to church once in a blue moon by myself. I sit in the back, take in the words and keep to myself. Don't give any money out either.